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AMD is better because of lower input lag and no screen tearing with FreeSync. Nvidia is inferior drivers. Sad. Intel will spank them both in few years if the decide to do so.
Hey Steve, how does one Efficiently balance CPU/GPU/Ram for gaming PC’s? How to avoid bottlenecks and over buying. Thanks for your show…🌱✌️
Turn to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God who died for our sins and God raised Him from the dead on the 3rd day. He loves us more than anyone. He created us and loves us. Call upon His name! Heaven and Hell are real places. We need to repent and turn to Him. We have all sinned against God. Pray and seek Him. Repent, pray, seek and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.” Acts 2:38-39 KJV “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6 KJV “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” John 3:36 KJV “For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Matthew 6:14-15 KJV“And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” Luke 11:9-13 KJV“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Hebrew 9:27-28 KJV “And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:35-40 KJV “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.” Matthew 10:28-31 KJV “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.” Matthew 10:32-33 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”Romans 10:9-13 KJV “Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:5-6 KJV“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.” Colossians 1:13-20 KJV “Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” 2 Philippians 2:4-11 KJV “Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly. Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.” Matthew 6:1-21 KJV “But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.” John 20:24-31 KJV
Look at the spec of 3080 vs 4080 (include price) 🤨😬 - THIS IS BAD... VERY BAD!
Microsoft Flight Sim is a garbage game ... more like a Google maps navigator than flight simulator ... but "hey maa, I can see my house" ... mario kart type of gamers. But realistically AMD 7900 at the same performance, lower prices, and half as much power consumption and comes out about 1 month later.
I can't help but feel the insane pricing is their method of trying to sell the large overstock of 30 series cards without having to drop the old card's prices that much.
@Mike Sugiyama Jones What make you think you can buy them for 700-800 when the 3000 series still can be sold at a higher price?
@Testiga Intellectual property makes real competition impossible in tech. Just look at the CPU sphere and how many companies are even /allowed/ to make x86 tech.
@burr I work for a retailer that sells Nvidia gpus and I can tell you they absolutely can dictate what the retailers do and the retailers just let them because it keeps pricing and margin high. There's no way Nvidia would allocate cards to a retailer selling under what Nvidia wants to sell at (and the retailer doesn't want to either)
@Ayush Singh Chauhan and if Nvidia follows their playbook again, the cheaper than $900 cards aren't coming until February and then later. We have no idea which skus they're considering and they have no reason not to line the 4070 up next to the 4080 and sell the 4070 for $800
@TheLangeLange i remeber getting a 980 for 760EU, now a 4090 costs about a 3rd of my car
Calling the 12GB card a "4080" when it has a totally inferior chip seems extremely dishonest on Nvidia's part. This card should be a 4070 or a 4070TI.
Maybe but if it’s performance is noticeably superior to 3090 Ti,who cares? It’s just a name.
the enterprise compute/AI cloud. Many in the tech world have short memories, but not you guys. Fantastic analysis as always!
Shockingly high prices given the GPU market "crash", although GPUs are still ludicrously expensive, just not as much relatively. Ram amount is pretty disappointing overall, would have liked to see 16GB start earlier in the hierarchy. Curious to see what AMD has to offer.
@Jesus MLG I will become a lot worse. You're right, nvidia isn't forcing anyone, but soon no one will be able to buy their stuff either, you included. Come back when you're ready to squeal. The next great depression is upon us.
@YMX you guys are the ones who are squealing right now. Complaining about the prices knowing that it could've been a lot worse. Cant afford it? Then buy something else. Nvidia is not forcing anybody to buy their shit.
@Jesus MLG I think they should charge a lot more so people like you start to squeal as well.
@Fredo Cuomo Yeah but the 4090 isnt a Titan and thats a $400 dollar mark up for no reason.
$200 GPUs are such a distant memory. I don't think any of our grand kids would believe us if we told them that used to be a very normal thing lmao
well as far as im aware gpu market is stagnant and dead nvidia killed it completely and eventually we wont even have a 80 variant gpu anymore itll be just a 5090 gpu with different vram variants
@Loki 76 My dad bought his first house for $4,000!
NVIDIA is turning PC gaming into a rich man's sport. Guess the rest of us will be buying consoles from here on out.
They also would be laughing at our 3-8gb of vram
None of you are having kids, let alone grand kids
I like the way you're presenting this. It's a lot less clickbait-y than LTT.
The 12 GB variant is literally what the 4070 should be. But they're instead asking for an 80-tier price.
And the whole DLSS3 exclusive. That's just pure greed. NVIDIA needs to be punished.
well, $200 over what an 80 tier car should cost when its extremely expensive.
*Asking a TITAN-tier price.
even for an xx80 GPU $900 is still too high, they could have slightly increase the price like $750 but no they just have to pull an apple on us
if you were to compare the % of performance comapred to flagship, 4080 16gb should be 4070 and 408012gb should be 4060ti
With the end of crypto mining, I feel that this pricing model is an example of how companies take a while to adjust to the market. These cards would have sold at these prices earlier this year, but now since you can't mine Etherium anymore, the miners won't buy these cards and gamers are notoriously fiscal so I see this generation being similar to the old days of the 90 series and earlier where every card sold under MSRP by a few hundred dollars.
Not when they only produce few of them
Scalpers are going to regret this one
I wish I could agree with you, but I've seen this movie before. The 10 series cards were great to mine on and mining was booming, so the release of the 20 series cards had a HUGE price rise. But before the cards were released, mining crashed and used cards were flooding the market. But idiot people still bought them at whatever price Nvidia was asking. That just taught them they can charge whatever they want. Proof is in the pudding, prices increased again on 30 series cards. I think the thing people don't understand in general, companies this big only listen to one thing, your wallet. That is the only voice you have. If you don't like what the company is doing, yet you buy the product anyway, even if you do it kicking and screaming, they don't care. Vote with your wallet.
exactly, those prices were surely made probably months (if not a whole year) ago, while there was still a huge demand of GPUs and they really couldn't keep up with production. I wouldn't be surprised if those card where made months ago, now they're trying to sell these expensive cards because they paid tons of money to produce them, while later this year (and start of next year) they will have new batches ready that will be way cheaper to produce so they will be cheaper to us customers.Sadly we'll have to wait a few more months to see that, but the market will surely crash because they'll flood it with so many card. My 960 (yeah, an OG one bought in 2015 like) was like 200€ cheaper than the MSRP of it, and we'll somethign similar I think around February/March, probably around the launch of the 4070/4060 (so the normal gamers who only need some perfomance but they do not care about 4K@144HZ will be pleased, NVIDIA will gain money and its stocks will rise and everybody is going to be happy)
I think your reasoning behind the higher prices makes the most sense.
That memory bandwidth has been proven to show bottlenecks in older graphics cards, I can only imagine how bad it's going to be on this one.
wtf Gamers Nexus ist so schlecht geworden, das ist viel besser declips.net/video/BtB4FebTSnU/video.html
I feel like I did when the 20 series released. I've got my money I've waited so long and they raise the prices again...... And I don't feel like the 30 series have really gone down in price that much.
It is weird to see undervolting more valued than overclocking now. RTX 4000 series uses a lot of power
Eagerly waiting for Arc GPU's to mature and see how they improve over time.
The pricing on the 80 cards is blatantly just mugging off pc gamers now. Forcing people to either step up to the big margin 4090, or help clear their 30xx cards of which they’ve got too many. In the UK the 12GB 4080 is just shy of a thousand pounds. For a 192 bit card. Insane. And the ‘real’ FE 4080 is essentially DOUBLE the price of the FE 3080. In one generation it’s gone from £650 to £1269!! How can anyone defend that kind of price increase.
@avatarion the way Nvidia sees it, it's their product portfolio, their cards, they can name and price them however they want. We as consumers can't be idiots though and buy these 4000 series cars with this pricing, the 4080 16GB needs to drop to st least $799, and the 4080 12GB down to $599 before people should be buying them in significant quantities.None of it matters though, morons will pay the prices again, justifying Nvidia and locking in these price hikes permanently as the new normal.
The only card that is as should be is the 4090, everything else is manipulated by some way or another with naming schemes. Originally the 4080 was the 16GB model at around $900, while the 4070 12GB was at a lower price. Then NVIDIA decided to change the 4070 12GB to a 4080 12GB at the original price point of the 4080 at $900, and bumped up the old 4080 (16) to a new $1200 price point for no other reason than to because they can. Next they will probably make the new 4070 what was supposed to be the 4060 Ti, which means we have yet another example of price/naming manipulation.
its crazy. and as a gamer even my 3090 runs everything and then some. games are still supporting last gen, there are no games out there now that push hardware much at all. As a gamer i see no reason to get the 4000 series at all. the price just seals that conclusion.
Scalping prices. Not buying that pos.
@Adam Lopez I mean, how long did you expect Nvidia to continue leaving all that money on the table? They were selling 3080 FE cards and probably making $125 per card prior to the component availability crunch, then watching scalpers routinely sell them for $1300-$1500, from Nvidia's perspective, they left $500-$700 profit per unit on the table, their investors were well aware of this as well, no way the investors were going sit back and tolerate Nvidia releasing this generation's flagship for under $1200 given that the market was clearly willing to tolerate that pricing for well over a year. Nvidia also knew there would be backlash, so they took what was originally going to be RTX 4070 and called it an RTX 4080 12GB selling it at $900 so they could claim only a 128% price increase in MSRP from 3080 to 4080 rather than the 171% actual MSRP increase from the 3080 to the 4080 16GB. This is some shady sh1t right here, and many morons will be more than happy to shell out the $1200 for the new 4080 16GB or $1600 for a 4090 to flex on people who in all likelihood really don't care.
I would love to see Nvidia actually make an efficient, powerful, and affordable GPU instead of brute forcing their way ahead and making these expensive power burners. I remember back in the day buying a gtx 1060 which was affordable, powerful, and relatively efficient. These new cards are completely a joke and shows how out of touch Nvidia is these days with its consumers and the industry. Its actually making the Intel ARC, and AMD RADEON GPUs actually look good for price to performance. Thank god EVGA walked from this s*** show.
12:17 I'm really glad you brought up the issue of endless security vulnerabilities as a result of out-of-order/speculative execution. I don't see this ending well, at least for clients in the enterprise compute/AI cloud.Many in the tech world have short memories, but not you guys. Fantastic analysis as always!
Man I remember top tier GPU's being around 500 - 600 bucks back in the day. Don't think I'll ever have 1600$ just laying around to buy a GPU.
I'll pass on the 40 series. I was hoping to pick up a 30 series for a decent price as either a primary or backup card. Worse case, I'll go with a used one. On a side note, I chose the Fractal Pop Air XL as my case for my new build.
As someone who hasn't bought an AMD card since 2005, this would be the perfect time for AMD to come out with an insanely amazing product, and leave NVIDIA with a bunch of overpriced cards that no one wants.
@jesh It's pretty much set in stone, since AMD always carbon copies anything that Nvidia does, 2-3 gens later.
@God of death my advice is if youre going to change cpus id wait till 2023 Q1 maybe Q2 and swap to a 3d v cache 7000 series cpu if gaming is youre only thing ..i cant comment on the 3070 honestly ive been happy with my AMD gpu products so far but lets just say i think a 7800x3d or a 7900x3d will dominate 1440p with the 3070 ..Im ditching the 7000 series till the 3d v cache cpus arrive as im using the 5800x3d now !! then maybe take stock of the 40 series or what amd is doing after that !!
@Volvo T6 R design awd well now i think like i will stick with 3070 for 1440p. Only need to upgrade my cpu from intel core i5 9600kf till ryzen 5 7800x
I think amd cards will be cheaper but after situation with ryzens i dont think they will be much cheaper then this abomination called 40xx
@TheKazragore this is my argument dlss 3.0 and fsr2.0 seem to be a waste if by what Nvidia are claiming on the 40 series at 2x the performance then what is the point of DLSS and FSR 2.0 ..yes FPS is king but mainly for competitive gaming and honestly dont them guys/ gals use 1080p and low settings .. not ultra graphics and 4k !!
I want to thank Nvidia, they have made me feel even better about getting a 3080 and 3060 for retail and sticking with them for years to come, I alreday was more than happy but this just makes me delirious! These prices are insane for founder editions, the partner editions will mind blowing. Come on AMD you have been given a huge gift, don't blow it.
I got my 16 yo son an ASUS DUAL 2070 Super "renewed" by ASUS for $300 on Amazon. It's 120% better than his AMD RX 590 Fatboy which was fine for 1080p. I feel he'll be "futurised" for quite some time for $300. He is overjoyed. Yay me!
@Loki 76 amd fanboy? What are you, twelve? These are companies that sell products. No need to glorify them. If one company gives me a more compelling product, I'll buy my stuff from them rather than the competition
@Veselin Alexandrov well $713 is around 150 dollars less then what I paid for mine nice
@SteelerFan716 The 3080 rig is actually my wife's, I had it custom build for her as a Christmas present in 2020, all she had before was a laptop that was not even for gaming. My rig with the 3060 was an upgrade from a 1060 3G.
@Jimmy Hopkins That's the thing, I don't care about having the very latest tech, if you want to spend a fortune every year or two then all power to you but I don't care about that as tech moves so fast these days you are always going to be out of date on something.
Feels like a deja vu, I was just as disappointed when RTX 20 series was announced, hoping for better pricing from AMD is a long shot, they are rarely cheaper where I live.
I was gonna get a 3060 but price circumstances changed . I’ll stick with my 1080 and hope AMD finally compete properly
For only gaming you should get consoles.
@Corvo Attano used 2080 ti is cheaper and faster than the lot ;)
I'm with you my 1080 still doing good the hell with these overpriced gpus
@HWI FWIW I see a Gigabyte Eagle 3060 12GB on Newegg right now for about $325, but the rest go up in to the $340-$450 range
@HWI For sure! 6600XT is a great card for gaming, I would have preferred AMD if it weren't for Blender. Actually surprised that AMD is not as performant there at this stage of the game.
Having seen the price I knew the first place to stop for information was Gamers Nexus. Thank to the whole team for the hard work in delivering not just videos but knowledge.
Videocardz was right. They said a week ago that 4070 got a last minute naming change to the 4080 12GB. It's just a rebranding to justify insane price hike. The same name implies only really the memory change but it has massively different specs and will have a bigperformance gap. Because this is the AD104 that the 70 series will use not the AD103 the 16GB uses. The performance gap bewteen 4080 12GB and 16GB will probably be similar to the 3070 to 3080 gap... on a GPU with the same name. Outright scam. You're paying $900 for the 70 series now basically and the real 4080 is $1200. And realistically probably $1000 and $1300 from AIBs with FEs being perma sold out once again. If reviewers let Nvidia get away with this marketing BS and absurd price hikes then all integrity of the industry will be lost.
The pricing levels of new High end cards are insane, there really needs to come a new competitor on this market to push it back to sanity. NIVIDA is just pure greed at this point.
This kind of pricing will push people away from pc gaming tbh. I already longed for the dual chip gpu days and sli configs, it was a fun time back then. I'll wait and see what AMD has to offer. Thanks, GN!
Would be interested to see AMD vs. NVidia in an apples-to-apples comparison and price point. I expect the prices NVidia is publishing will come down either way.
Question for the tech-savvy here: I have a 3090 ( Which I use for AI, 3D rendering etc ), Do you think it would be a better move to wait for a price drop of the 3090s and purchase a second one and use NVLINK ( to have double the VRAM etc) rather than purchasing a 4090/4080 ?
This is the only channel that has cut through the marketing bullshit. I've seen a couple channels talk about the 4080 12gb as if the only difference is the 4gb of memory. Thanks for doing what you guys do.
That's not a secret in any way though, their website clearly lists the exact specs lol
The sad truth is that we have known for months that the difference was more than just 4 gb of memory.
No clickbait, no bs. All the other youtubers are absolute garbage
@vintatsh hardware unboxed is a very respectable channel as well, no wonder they are consistently related to gn in many videos.
@Super Étendard they've been sellouts since turing
Be interesting to see if failure rate escalates in line with cost per watt. That 4080 12gb should be a 4070, but Nvidia never fails to milk consumers for all it can. Expect a 4080TI or Super to be 20GB? Either way going sit this gen out. The only exciting thing may be the raytracing improvements.
I am a little confused on how they expect to compete with AMD, assuming AMD keeps with expected pricing
i love the "which is all good. . that's how these companies should work" when he mentioned AMD tried to steal the thunder away. XD gotta love the honesty and transparency on this channel. love it. otherwise, im really just waiting for AMD to give us something to rival the nvenc encoder/broadcast suite and then i'd probably switch to AMD.
there's also the psu cost you'll have to add onto this, a hidden charge that most people will have to pay due to the insane power requirements
This is beyond insane, especially in today's world. Also, the Wats on those is crazy too. We all knew from the leaks, but holy cow. Its actually true.... Electricity prices here are NO JOKE
Todays world everything has gone up in price in the last 3 years, the housing costs have gone up massively
Also the SIZE! Let me bust out my 30 year old massive Gateway beast of a tower to fit this ridiculous power-sucking vortex into my case.
Never mind that the performance numbers came from Nvidia, the fine print on the ones claiming 2x performance said it was with DLSS frame generation enabled - which if it works well, it's nice to have, but suggests performance for non-DLSS games won't increase nearly as much.
oh, good point. I completely forgot they need to actually have a data set to run it. LMAO.Yeah...not looking too good. I think ill pass.
I'm still rocking a1080 FTW (rip EVGA) which still plays everything perfectly fine (or at least ive not felt bottlenecked by it yet). When I do eventually upgrade it's going to be like going from VHS to Blu-ray though!
These 4090s are huge cards, it is interesting how the workstation cards will look like and how they'll call it - RTX L6000 or something.
Nvidia can blow me if they think I will ever pay those kind of prices for their cards, shortage or not.
@MattMexor2 why type out such a long response if you're done arguing with me? Inflation is not a response to anything. It is price hikes across the economy. It may be IN response to something, tho. The question is.. what? I'd agree with you, but if I thought the Fed really had a handle on inflation, I suspect they'd do a better job controlling it. There doesn't need to be a political motivation to beg the question as to why inflation is such wily beast.One thing seems pretty clear.. if you want to stop or limit inflation, you have to stop vendors from continually raising prices, and knowing why they're doing it, would probably be a step towards figuring out how to stop it.I take issue with another thing you said. "Inflation isn't an attempt to increase margins." Well, on the face, that is true.. but you're trying to insinuate that inflation CAN'T be driven by a desire to improve margins, which is patently false. Inflation is price hikes, and price hikes are one way companies try to improve margins. Example: meat is very inflated right now in the U.S., because meat packers continually raised the prices of meat throughout the pandemic. They are ALL now in court, many having already paid substantial fines, for price fixing. So.. what they DID was inflation, and what was driving it? Well, the U.S. court system seems to think price fixing, to the ends of making better margins..
@Gregory Wilson I'm not talking about it as if it's magic. I am saying it is a response. You are talking about it like it's willfull. It is not. Inflation is not the same thing as companies increasing their margins. Look. I am done arguing about this. I think you are wrong and you need to learn a bit about macroeconomics. I can only guess as to where you got your misconceptions from. And they are very wrong misconceptions. I'll just say that "politics ruins everything".
@MattMexor2 Inflation is a series of discrete price hikes by vendors of goods and services, leading to a currency being overall worth less. You are literally talking about it as if it is magic. It isn't. It is when companies raise prices. That's why they use a CPI chart to look at inflation in a meaningful way. When the Federal Reserve thinks that the driver of those price hikes is wage gains, and not price gouging due to low supply - it absolutely does matter, and it will lead to economic disaster, again.You can't just crank rates until so many people lose their jobs that eggs aren't in demand. Well, you can, actually. Nvm.
@Gregory Wilson No, it does not for the purpose of this conversation. It's beyond the scope. Your claim that inflation is the fault of this person or that person is nonsense. Inflation is a macroeconomic systemic condition. The Federal Reserve is not claiming it is not. You are trying to make a claim through their mouth that you either don't understand or you are fabricating.
@MattMexor2 It absolutely does matter what/who what the Federal Reserve blames for inflation.
I just think that after 6 years I should be able to find another graphics card for about $400 that is actually a decent upgrade from my gtx 1070.
There will be plenty of good low end cards coming out, the problem is that you would essentially be stuck at the same VRAM count. 8GB will stick around for a long time at the low end.
Keep wishing, my friend.
The frame interpolation in DLSS 3 will presumably introduce additional latency because it will only be able to interpolate between previous frames and not predict future frames. I haven't seen anyone discuss this yet.
Nvidia is leaving an opening for intel to gain on them with these ridiculously high prices. I am surprised they're not dropping their prices and trying to undercut and undermine their competitors by dumping cheap cards on the market
Those prices are crazy. I dont how they expect anyone but highend enthusiasts buying at these prices when a lot of people have Nvidia 3000s and AMD 6000 cards now.
3080 was 699€ in Spain, now the (real) 4080 16GB is 1469€, more than double the price, it's insane.
That's because the 4080 was artificially inflated in price to make room for the 4070/fake 4080 12GB. Now there is hardly any room for a future 4080 Ti because the 4080 and 4090 are so close.
AD103 9728 CUDA 16GB VRAM is real RTX 4070 ,7680 CUDA AD104 is RTX4060TI 192bit with 12G VRAM
@Paul Lasky Nvidia is helping their AIB partners to clear all the 30-series stock. When that is done, then they can maybe lower the price by a bit. So its a win-win.
4080 16GB is actually a 4070 Ti.WAKE UP! 😂
Nvidia wants to clear 3000 series stock with these new high prices
The only question now is AMD going to be able to control themselves
DLSS 3 is just TV Motion Interpolation that's been around for the last 14~ years with just one key difference, its algorithm has access to Motion Vectors from the game engine. This may help alleviate artifacting when things disappear behind an object and when things appear from behind an object, especially if the algorithm also has access to object and depth information.That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if they made it available for all games via an additional algorithm that didn't need Motion Vectors, essentially giving similar experience to what TV's have for over a decade.
Looks like they're going for another generational price increase on everything except the 4090. So much for this gen helping to alleviate the reasonably priced gpu market.
The pricing saga is not done yet. Nvidia can probably manage two quarters before it will have to so something about pricing if there is not enough demand.
It did get alleviated. So alleviated the reasonably priced GPU market has floated away forever and left behind an overpriced hellscape.
Sorry to break it to you, but Intel's GPU ambitions are on the verge of collapsing already. Rumours say we'll get the Alchemist and Battlemage cards and that's it. Turns out building a competitive GPU out of nothing is incredibly costly and difficult process and the numerous setbacks have cost them company exec support.
I just hope RDNA3 is competitive and better priced. That 4070 disguised as a "4080 12GB" and its price is just ridiculous at this point. Sketchy move, that.
@horeaper 4080 12GB = 4070
@TheRaven That is true, though I do feel that the 3080 10GB isn't going to age well. We'll see just how gimped the 1060(cough) 4080 12GB fairs in the upcoming benchmarks.
@Gamevet I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I do think that this 4080 16GB - 4080 12GB situation is different because of everything else I said. The core is substantially different.
@TheRaven It's 3-5 fps faster than the 10GB 3080 in 4K. That 10GB card is going to age much worse than the 12GB, once 4K games start using excess of 10GB of VRAM at that resolution.
@Gamevet it's not. Yeah, 3080 12GB was slightly faster, had a marginally bigger memory bus and a few hundred Cuda cores more, but it was like 4% faster than 3080 10GB on average, not really a big deal. This has a way narrower memory bus, way less VRAM, more than 2000 less CUDA cores and a way too high price tag.
Future pricing of the cards, both AMD and Nvidia, will be interesting. With the high prices of Nvidia for the 40 series, AMD will probably price only slightly lower than Nvidia in the beginning. That's capitalism. Maybe the price difference for the 7000 top model will have a bigger difference to Nvidia's top model simply to make a statement.Based on the available information, AMD has much lower costs for production of the silicon (known and developed 5N and 6N nodes, high yield due to nodes and chiplets), whereas Nvidia uses a cutting edge, pricey 4N node with a huge die size which alsoi affects yield. So AMD should have more headroom for lowering prices than Nvidia, if they have to.
Interesting, Might sit out a gen for upgrades or see what price point AMD comes in.
People are forgetting the reason EVGA is abandoning NVIDIA is precisely because of the low margins, so increasing prices for the 40 series is to help partners sell more 30 series cards. Scummy either way because GN's own insiders said the 30 series was higher because of the market conditions which they are happily taking advantage of.
At point I'm not surprised that NVidia is pricing those cards the way they are. Here's hoping AMD can bring out something better in terms of value.
OK, I'm definitely waiting to see what AMD has to offer. AMD's pricing can't be worse. I was pleasantly surprised by their 6000 series cards during the shortage, so I'm hoping they surprise me again.
@Liberty Prime ohh interesting, thank you for replying :)
@Sylvia No, FSR 2.0 is getting way more support because it's implementable in an afternoon and it even works on Nvidia cards.DLSS is mainly featured in sponsored titles.You can argue DLSS 2.0 is better than FSR 2.0, but you can't argue it's getting more support.
@Liberty Prime theres also just more support from 3rd parties: eg minecraft RTX and portal RTX
I heard the 7600 XT could be surprisingly powerful. If they price it right it would be the next logical move for Pascal or even older Maxwell owners.
AMD usually undercuts the competition from around $50 to $80. Don't expect AMD to be the hero we want
I massively appreciate all of the hard work you guys do for us.
Yeah I am gonna wait to see what amd does. These card prices are nuts.
Given Nvidia's behavior and what's come out with EVGA, the GPU in my current computer will probably be the last Nvidia product I buy.
Was going to give them the benefit of the doubt, but with this pricing it's pretty obvious they really want to go the Apple route: Piss off everyone they work with, charge ridiculous prices because their ego says they can. Hope AMD/Intel just stay practical and dig the market out from under them.
We do know that the 12gb is a smaller die. The 12gb is AD104. The 16gb is AD103. 4090 is AD 102.It shall be Noted that as usual the 4090 is not a fully unlocked AD102
Can't wait for the RTX 4050 to be priced at $500!
@Ken Pachi THIS! Insane how many "budget builds" I see channels do, and the gpu isnt a RX6600/xt, its a 3050. Just so they cant put Nvidia in the title. Makes me sick!
@ss no at least according to leaks
Ngreedia having the last laugh here, people actually thought they would get a 4080 for 700$? you guys serious? lmao.
@Slađan Benak yeah... ive ALWAYS been a fan of ATI since its origin days, ive never really need a fan of Nvidia besides the Nvidia 256, dual 9900GTX, and the GTX 970. Nvidia has never really impressed me with their shit marketing / scummy crap. if i had the money to go back to ATI, i would go 100% ATI again on my systems. let alone, ATI is still supporting the HD series and those still run freaking amazing on some even new games too, like the 7790 and the 7850.same with AMD, ive always been AMD besides the pentium 1, 2 slot 1, 3 slot 1, then sold that to a friend, got a AMD slot A and ever since was AMD, ive NEVER had a single issue with ATI cards or AMD stuff, like no exaggeration ever had a single issue, ever affording something AMD or ATI was incredibly amazing unlike nvidia or intel xD
I'm definitely waiting to see what comes from RDNA3. I don't want to spend over 1k for a proper 4080.
With that hugh power draw I would love to see a fps over watts graph e.g. for a 4080 16GB starting with max power draw and lowering the power limit so we can see if the cards will be more efficient with lower power. Or more like a graph fps/watt over watts drawn. You know what I mean?
Sticking with my 3080ti for now. 4090 looks interesting, going with AMD next though. Selling a 4070 as a "4080" is sneaky as hell.
Still have a 2080Ti, seen no reason to upgrade yet since I play on 1080p 240hz.
Oh great, so I am going to have to wait for new PSUs too. The technology looks impressive, I am keen to see what AMD is doing on the GPU front.
crazy how Nvidia can just call the 4070 a 4080 12GB and charge over $1000 for it
@Sam Goff everyone who paid a scalper 50-100 percent mark up I blame you. Nvidia saw what people were willing to pay and they reacted accordingly.
@Joelhodoborgas I meant only $900 as in not actually over $1000, not only as in it's cheap. $900 is still way too much for it.
@yan moo You can complain without distorting the facts.
These companies need to make their cards far more efficient. Pullinging over 600w on a single card is unacceptable.
They are more efficient though, way more efficient, however, they use that efficiency to pull more power to up performance. Efficiency is measured in something like fps per watt, not total power draw, and in terms of efficiency, the 6800 gets over twice as many frames per watt vs the RX 580, and the same with the 3070 vs the 970, it just happens that they're putting more cores and faster cores in as efficiency goes up at the same time so the power draw also goes up. Another way they're addressing it is DLSS, so an even less powerful card can perform just as well with a minimal drop in quality. Basically, efficiency is definitely going up, you just wouldn't be able to see it by just looking at power draw, and if you care more about total power draw instead of frames per watt, you're not their target audience anyways.
The power draw of these parts are getting to the point where the quality of the house wiring starts to become a real concern, especially in older buildings.
AMD GPUs looking real good right about now
As it’s been from them for a while, nothing ground breaking or truly new, but newly ground breaking prices, I’m hoping AMD sees the weak prey right now, cause they could easily win this and hold the top spot
That moment when the 4070 had to be renamed 4080 12GB to help justify the silly price they wanted to sell them for 😅
Petition for the 4080 12gb to be called the 4070
The 4080 12GB was the 4070, but the 4080 16GB was also the same price as the current 4080 12GB. NVIDIA basically bumped up both by one tier.
Misunderstood... New name rtx 4780ti super extreme RGB. Price $3500
@Mageleader Gaming no need for clarification I agree with your frustrations. this is daylight robbery. gamers can help by not buying them
@fREAK I should clarify. At most it should be a 3060 ti
@Mageleader Gaming 3060 ti has a 256 bit bus. this has 192
I honestly would have liked to see AMD beat geforce to the punch here. I know AMD is holding their cards to play their usual game, but I would be leaning into this hard with aggressive marketing and price-match programs, while beating nVidia to the market.
@3:03 That lift truck shows exactly what's wrong with having a parallel, virtual world. In the real world, with rare exceptions, lift trucks don't have suspensions. There is no way that machine would bounce like that in the real world. Metaverse 0, Real World 1
To anyone reading this : DLSS 3.0 features Super Resolution and Reflex WILL be supported by RTX older generations, only the Frame Generation feature is exclusive to 40 Series. Source : Nvidia official reps on several reddit posts and Q&A.
The 12GB RTX 4080 is a rebranded 4070. Such a slimy move in addition to the biggest MSRP price hikes in the history of GPUs.
This is just a prediction from me. I think most of the 2-4x improvements will come from games using DLSS 3.0 which for now seems like a 40 series exclusive. I think we'll see the usual 30-40% average uplift that we normally see every generation in most other games. At least in the games that don't use ray tracing or DLSS 3.0. I hope it's wrong because that will be yet another thing to complain about but nothing will surprise me at this point. I still think it's a horrible value regardless.
@John Smith If you think it will actually have 100% increase in regular rasterization I don't even know what to tell you, except you are in for a rude awakening. If it does, I will buy it, if it doesn't...you have to buy it. :D
@Mantas S I don't know, I've jumped 6 generations before now, literally the only time I've upgraded 1 gen was when my 970 died, and it would have been 2 if the 20-series wasn't terrible and overpriced. But it would be nice if there was a card worth buying more than once every 7-10 years... :D
@TheJackiMonster "or it was 3090 Ti footage" That's the problem, there are no like for like comparisons, everything was with DLSS3, we have no real idea what it's like without it and not every game will have support so it matters.Also, you might not even want it on since as you pointed out we have no idea if it will play nice, having frames that the CPU isn't actually pushing sounds like it will have some weird effects to me but we will see. Forgive me my fanboism, but I'll believe it when I see the GN benchmarks.
@Memitim Why do people even consider buying a new gpu every year? It's a colossal waste of money. We are at the point where low/mid range cards are better than flagship gpu's 5 years ago. Pushing the newest tech further and further gets exponentially more difficult, We are not going to get 50% improvements every year, unless some breakthrough happens in the tech industry. It's not limited to GPU's only. CPU's are the same, smartphones are the same, yet people for some stupid ass reason keep buying a new iphone every year which is literally the same as a previous one. If you buy a new GPU every 5 years instead of every 2 years and if you wait until the initial price hikes go down (so if people actually made smart decisions while purchasing stuff, you get an insane amount of gain for a good price). But unfortunately majority of the people shit on Nvidia for the prices and still preorder cards for $2000 the next day.
@Memitim I'm pretty sure it's about 30~60% (unsure because the footage I looked up doesn't match but 30~40% would make sense). You can look up on DEclips finding Cyberpunk 2077 footage in 4K on the 3090 Ti using DLSS in performance mode and ray tracing on highest settings. It brings about 51~66 fps... then compare that with the 4090 footage 92~108 fps also using DLSS (but 3.0) and ray tracing on max settings.With native rendering it's about 16~25 fps on the 3090 Ti and 20~23 fps in the footage (potentially RTX 4090... or it was 3090 Ti footage to compare with). So either way Nvidia has only shown a performance increase in ray tracing yet utilizing DLSS 3.0.We don't know anything about rasterization improvements yet and if DLSS 3.0 generates frames without the actual game logic, it might just inflate frame rates. In worst case games won't even utilize the amount of CUDA cores they put into it. Also we still don't know whether the instruction ordering to improve ray tracing hurts rasterization by adding latency. Not impossible actually given that sorting is difficult to parallelize.It's still possible that Cyberpunk 2077 just added even more ray tracing features to tank performance on older GPUs but I'm not sure about that.
I had a strong feeling this would happen. If I was cfo I wouldn’t make more than enough to please deep wallets as the miners and board partners sell off stock.
I have faith that RDNA3 will be good. AMD still just want my money, but their business model includes a lot of open source support. Linux support etc.
Amazing coverage as always. Thank you.
I agree with other comments. What NVIDIA needs is a kick in the ass by having AMD come out with some very competitive GPU’s. The Intel arrogance has spread to Nvidia.
That's a 4070 rebranded to a 4080. Call it like it is , come on. Nobody in their right mind would call these two completely different products the same thing.
@Mageleader Gaming Idk if it's as low as a 4060Ti but the 4080 16GB is a 4070Ti more or less. Checking from Maxwell to Ampere the xx80Ti/90 has a 1.7x core multiplier to xx70Ti/S, same bus width difference (256 to 352/384), and same memory type. Funny we got a $1200 xx70Ti now eh?
They did not even TRY to make them similar, like EVERYTHING is different, there is no way in hell anyone would say "oh yeah, those are both 4080s"
@CarbonPanther Let's not forget the 5GB card with that 160 bit bus.Shading Units: 1280TMUs: 80ROPs: 40SM Count: 10L1 Cache: 48 KB (per SM)L2 Cache: 1280 KB
not only that, a $900 3070. They know crypto mining is no longer a thing, right?
GTX 1060 6GB (1280 CUDA Cores)GTX 1060 3GB (1152 CUDA Cores)They never were in the right mind to begin with...
I think DLSS 3.0 is going to be a huge disappointment. Firstly, I cannot comprehend how predicting intermediate frames will NOT cause ghosting artifacts. Secondly, generating intermediate frames independently in GPU will negate all the advantages of higher framerate in game engine like keystrokes being registered quicker to generate the next frame.
What are the odds these are slightly less cost efficient per frame compared to 30 series and then they drop a lot when they sell off old units?
With Ampere, all 80 class cards used slightly cut down versions of Nvidia's FLAGSHIP GPU, and weren't a lot slower either (except, obviously, in cases where they didn't have enough Vram). In this generation, not only is the top-end 80 class card based on a completely different and much slower GPU than the flagship 4090, the 12GB "version" of the 4080 is heavily cut down (or possibly uses a completely different GPU), and has a heavily cut-down memory bus as well. The "RTX 4080 12GB" is a total bait and switch by Nvidia. It would make more sense to call it the 4060 ti than it does to call it the "4080 12GB". If they had called it the "4070 ti", at least then it wouldn't be nearly as confusing, and would at least parallel the difference in performance between the "3070 ti" and various versions of the "3080", though those two cards were already inconsistent with the differences between the GTX 1070 ti and GTX 1080 (which were very, very close to each other in performance). The inconsistency of naming schemes between generations (and within generations) by Nvidia is infuriating, especially when the MSRP of a fake 80 class card is significantly higher than that of the 80 class card of the previous generation!
I can remember complaining that the "Radeon HD 7870 XT" Should have been called the "HD 7930" (because it was a lot closer to the HD 7950 than to the HD 7870 in performance). The store I bought mine from (NCIX) had accidentally listed it as a regular 7870, and had marked it down to the same price as the most heavily discounted regular 7870's. GPU prices were going way down at the time because, I think, the new RX 290 series had just been released. Things couldn't be more different now!
Seems tone-deaf to make overpriced power hungry GPU's, when there is a global recession and energy crisis. I hope Intel or AMD release something affordable and power efficient, let Nvidia do their own thing turning up the juice and price each generation.
Id like to see how much it costs to develop and manufacture these cards.
This is the least excited I have been for a GPU launch in a decade.
This really feels like they're setting up AMD to succeed like Intel unintentionally did. I'm really excited AMD! please don't let us down
What do you think of this other one?declips.net/video/R-jC94hoN4E/video.html Leave your comment there please..
@RS 390 well, 3080 Ti on Laptop also performs like Desktop 3060 Ti, irl
@Jordi Roodi The thing is they already have a 6800M for laptops which is a 6700XT die. They changed a letter and boom, it's now a 6600XT.
@RS 390 thats not unique to AMD, thats how laptop specs work
On the laptop side they have a 6700S/6800S which are basically the 6600/6600XT dies, while they had a 6700M/6800M being the 10GB 6700 and 6700XT die. So they have this kind of dodgy naming too...
Their biggest competition is going to come from their own 3000 series cards that they, and miners, need to dump.
I almost feel like Nvidia is becoming intel 2.0. they have rested on being on top so long and don't see such a massive change in consumer sentiment coming their direction.
Exactly, all you have is a feeling.Facts state that nvidia dor majority of last decade have been competing against themselves and still innovating in terms of performance and feature set.900 series, 10 series, rtx and dlss, 30 series, nvidia was basically competing with itself and was stil providing better value Gen on Gen with sometimes massive performance bumps and new features like RT and DLSS.In last decade only exception to that rule was 700 series and 20 series.But with 20 series you got DLSS and RTX, which both in time took out Pascal out of competition and made it in line with rest gens in terms of value increass Gen on Gen.Actually in every segment premium tier products (leading tier from a leader tier company), cost more.Wait for non enthusiast cards tiers then.Again at this point nvidia is competing with itself.Just wait for competition.
Nvidia lost their minds. No one wants to buy overpriced GPUs in these times. With the deep recession, high inflation, and high energy bills, those GPUs are not worth it with their price range.
I am not really interested in buying yet another space heater for my home.But seriously, I don't like the anti competitive nature of Omniverse, it would lock down companies into Nvidia's grasps, not sure if that's the right direction for the future. Can't wait for AMDs announcement though, not going to buy a new GPU anyways, since my 5700 is doing a fine job still
Anytime I've bought a GPU from Nvidia it's been EVGA. With EVGA being gone and these insane prices, I might be buying AMD.
Can't wait for the rasterization gaming benchmarks on GN hopefully demonstrating Nvidia's claimed *two times* superior performance of RTX 4090 over RTX 3090 Ti Nvidia 'forgot' to present, despite having time and ability to produce them for potential customers.
They called a 70 Ti (192 bit bus) class card a 4080. And priced it above an 80 class card. Ridiculous. Time to wait to see what AMD can offer.
@ashley doviak because of some idiots some time ago who purchased a 3070 for $900 or more. We wouldn't have this problem otherwise.
I agree with the 1st part of the sentence, but I don't believe AMD is anyone's friend and that they will come to rescue consumers from Ngreedia
It's not a mistake if people keep buying. Seems like this is a constant pattern that never changes.
Big freaking mistake Jensen
bruh my 3070 (non ti) is 256b.... this peasant 4080 it's a complete joke.
I might have to go AMD this time. I haven't owned an AMD since the ATi X1900XTX. Best card ever at its time.
Never disappointing. Awesome content.
NVlink is still alive and well on their enterprise GPUs, in case anyone was curious. The H100, their brand new enterprise GPU, supports 256-way NVlink.
This is outrageous.I was excited to try and buy a 30 series GPU when they announced them. But 40 series, I think I almost threw up a little. Completely disgusted with the prices.I hope no one buys one and takes a stand on nvidia jacking prices.
Now is the perfect time for AMD to crush Nvidia this generation with Nvidia’s insane pricing
@Fafski11 funny how my comment mentioning that Amd and Nvidia colluding got wiped out almost instantly from DEclips. scummy forces at play.
And exactly how will AMD undercut them by a huge amount? They in the same boat, where they are also currently affected by high inflation rates, high component and manufacturing costs and high shipping costs. The only way they can undercut them by a great amount is to cut back heavily on the amount performance per card, cut-back on the quality of components used or reduce the amount of profits they take per GPU. The later of which simply won't happen. AMD like Nvidia is a billion dollar company, where the greedy stakeholders rule the roost and always want to rake in as much profit as humanly possible.
@Midnight Vibes then i will just stick with 3070. I am can't say i am not satisfied but in same time i feel myself fucked with this 8 gb of vram. And i want to play in 1440p 120 hz since i got at past week great 1440p ips 170hz monitor gigabyte m27q. I just need to upgrade my cpu i guess i have intel core i5 9600kf its weak now i will try ryzen 5 7800x its should be best cpu for 3070
@Kerbodynamic X Yea people said the same thing when 20 series was announced too.
@james jordan I can tell you know nothing about their CEO just by that comment.
So is Nvidia still underestimating how much of their gpu demand went to miners and not gamers? There was a window earlier this year for gamers to buy 30 series cards after the crypto crash and those cards largely stayed in stock and are in stock today.
@rkan2 i would assume the crypto demand was far greater than the gaming demand. Looking at all of the unsold gpus in stores and ebay.
I think they know full well, though they keep talking about "gaming revenues" when in reality probably lile half of it was actually for mining - especially when you include gamer-miners.
Whatever you want to tell me about pricing, i believe the 4080 16gb is a nice buy for those who waited already 3 generations of GPUs for an upgrade. The performance seems to be really really good and seems quite future proof. Let's not forget that all developers are slowly migrating to Unreal Engine 5 which will absolutely eat up these GPU's.
Can't wait to see first reviews from Hardware Unboxed to see real (rasterization) perfomance increases.
I just saw the prices for Europe and for the RTX 4080 12GB (4070 Ti would be a more fitting name) it landed around 1150€. Ouch! I was going to wait for 4060 to come out, but assuming its price will average 600€ for Europe, that's prohibitively expensive for a lot of people. I hope AMD can take advantage of Nvidia's pricing, but I hold little hope that their prices will be significantly better.
This was a disaster of a launch. That 4080 12GB is basically a 4070 that moved up $300 from last gen. And the 4080 moved up by $550 from the last gen equivalent. And that doesn't even include the early adopter "sucker's tax" of 10-20% on top of MSRP that scalping retailers will add over the next 6 months at least.I can now see why EVGA decided to call it a day on Ngreedia -- because after the hype dies down on 4000 series, AIBs will have 3000 and 4000 series sitting on the shelves. It'll be a race to the bottom for margins.Scalpers can have these overpriced trash cards -- I'll wait for AMD's launch.